Pues 10 negritos es una gran obra de Agatha Cristie, asi que de pffs nada .
Me parece que ya comenté hace tiempo que se parecía a esta novela, aunque con toques sobrenaturales se aleja bastante del hilo argumental de la novela...
Hombre, me gusta esa Novela de Agatha, si Umineko tuviera el tinte de esta novela, de entrada nadie la subtitularia XD y no tendria tanto Fandom,.y de Umineko a 10 negritos hay muchos continentes claro, Umineko cae en el efectismo, un claro ejemplo esel personaje de Maria,me vi el primer episodio de Umineko y nada mas, me recordo a 10 negritos y fin del embrujo, mi gusto esta acondicionado U_U
Despues de ver esas nuevas feminas en el opening uno solo puedes decir GARRRR.....
Ya en el doce han revelado cierto detalle importante y asi andaran soltando datos para entender la historia a modo "global".
Spoiler
Eso de que el poder magico de las brujas es proporcinal a la gente que cree en ellas. Eso explica bastante esa obsesion de que crean en ella en el primer arco....
Eva es la nueva Beatrice y es incluso más malvada que la anterior. Battler le da una cachetada a Beatrice y se gana mi respeto xD. Pero vamos a lo importante. Si Eva resolvió el acertijo y pasó a ser la nueva Beatrice entonces es probable que la antigua Beatrice también sea uno de ellos. Si asumimos que la magia no existe el asesino también sería uno de ellos, ¿pero quién? Son las interrogantes que va dejando Umineko.
A mi me intriga mas saber como Beato ha pasado en solo dos capitulos de ser una cabrona femdom a una putita calentorra
Eso es "exactamente" lo que me ha descuadrado totalmente.......
Que carajos le paso y porque?? De prepotente y cruel, ahora parece timida e insegura sin realmente un motivo aparente.
El unico motivo que quieren dar es que Batler se ofendio y ella no sabia que "se lo tomaba tan a pecho" que estuvieran matando a toda su familia de manera sanguinaria.....>____>
Buen episodio el 18 y vaya que todo tenía una explicación.
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Todo lo de Beatrice en modo dere no era más que una farsa para que Battler bajara la guardia y firmara un documento en el que reconocía la existencia de las brujas xDDD. Pero con la aparición de Ange-Beatrice se desbarata el engaño. Por cierto, antes tenía mis dudas pero cada vez estoy más convencido que la verdadera identidad de Beatrice es Jessica y este episodio da varias luces al respecto con lo de que no ha sido asesinada nunca pero tampoco es la asesina.
Por lo menos..."todo se aclaró" de un modo mas o menos logica.
Lo del infinite nine, me hizo soltar una carcajada, supongo que sabeis por que.
A Jessica si la matan en uno de los arcos. Cuando aparecen por primera vez las cabras con katares laser.
Yo creo que el "asesino" en el caso de que la magia no exista, es Batler...porque siempre muere el "último". Los demás cambian de día, pero el no muere nunca hasta la última noche.
Edited by Neclord X, 31 October 2009 - 12:09 PM.
El REY no ha muerto, se esta cepillando a la Reina en algun granero de la campiña francesa
Pero esa muerte pudo ser fake. Respecto a la escena que mencionas también me causó gracia. Recordé los tiempos de Dragonball Z cuando veían el poder de pelea.
Su hubieras la leido la SN supieras que eso es imposible, este anime es una mierda. Una de las mayores cagadas de Deen es que en el final del EP3, en la SOUND NOVEL se dice en ROJO que todos estan muertos y no hay absolutamente nadie vivo.
Este anime va de mal en peor, como mataron mi combate de Virgilia VS Beatrice:
Joder como jodieron la escena de Rudolf, o mejor dicho han jodido todo...
Bueh vean el rojo verdad de la SN hasta el EP3 de la SN:
EP2:
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After the First Twilight of Episode 2:
(Everything spoken in red is the truth.)
(Whenever I speak in red, it will be the truth)
(Ignoring the fact of if they were living or dead. The six of them definitly walked through that door.)
(Only one key to the chapel exists!)
(As for locking the chapel, it's completly impossible with any key other than the chapel's!!)
(There is no method to enter or exit the door of the chapel when it is locked!!)
(The six people certainly entered from "this front door"!!)
(This morning, Rosa removed an envelope from Maria's purse and thereby obtained the genuine key to the chapel.)
(The contents of the envelope which I gave to Maria was certainly the key to the chapel.)
(The envelope which I gave to Maria, and the one Rosa opened are the same envelopes!!)
After the Second Twilight of Episode 2:
(Only the servants carry a master key, one to each of them.)
(There are no hidden doors.)
(Entry and exit is only possible from this door.)
(The only way to lock this door is with Jessica's single key, or with the master keys, which there are one per servant.)
(The window is locked from the inside.)
(Kanon was killed in this room.)
(Entry and exit is impossible when the door is locked.)
(There is no device that can lock the door from the outside without the key.)
(There are no hidden doors in this room.)
(You cannot enter or exit other than through the door or window.)
After Nanjo's and Kumasawa's corpses dissapeared from the servant's room: (Talking about the Servant's Room key.)
(Those are stored in the key box inside the employee's room.)
(There are several keys to the Servant's Room, however, all of those are stored in the key box.)
(Entry and exit are impossible other than from the door or window.)
(And both of them were locked.)
(There is no way to enter or exit the door or window when they are locked.)
(Of course, it is impossible to unlock the door without the servant's room key or without the master keys.)
(No one exists in this room, except all of you. All of you refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon.)
(At the time of the discovery of Jessica's corpse, the only people in the room were Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo.)
(Of course, that includes Jessica.)
(Therefore, in both the case of Jessica's room and the servant's room, there were no other humans that you weren't aware of.)
(No one was hidden.)
(There is no method which can unlock the door from the outside without using the key.)
(As for the window, no method exists to lock it from the outside.)
(You are incompetent.)
(cackle cackle cackle, hi-hhihihhihihihihihihi!!)
(Come Ushiromiya Battler, kneel.)
(Accept me and all the puzzles will be solved.)
(With my power, any type of closed room can be created or destroyed!!)
(I'll make you my faviorte furniture.)
(I'll love you and love you, and make you my toy until you're reduced to ashes....)
After Genji, Gohda, Shannon, and George left the parlor:
(There are only 5 master keys.)
(There are only 5 master keys.)
(I'll say to Rosa, there are only 5 master keys!)
(I keep my promises.)
After George, Shannon, and Gohda were found murdered, and the letter was found in the parlor:
(Natsuhi's room is the same, as always!)
(The door and windows are locked from the inside.)
(There is no fraud or trick, there are no secret passages or hidden places!)
(Natsuhi's key was in George's pocket, shut inside the room which was closed off.)
(There are only five master keys, however 'Rosa' has them all!)
(I'll also say, the parlor is the same.)
(The original key to the parlor is closed off in the servant's room.)
(Therefore, unlocking it without the master key is impossible! The closed room definition is the same as always!)
EP3:
Spoiler
While the stakes torture Battler: (Spoken by Belephegor) (Of every door on Rokkenjima, none have a crack through which a key can fit.)
After Battler's 18 people + X theory: (I have the power to speak the truth in red!!!)
During Beato's Past: (Spoken by Ronove) (The hidden mansion, Kuwadorian, exists in the forest of Rokkenjima.)
(Spoken by Ronove) (In the past, those two actually had a conversation like that in this place.)
(Spoken by Ronove) (Here is the world of 1967.)
(Spoken by Ronove) (In the hidden mansion of Rokkenjima of 1967, Beatrice-sama existed as a human.)
After Rosa and Beato's past:
(She is certainly dead.)
(In this Rokkenjima 19 or more people don't exist!)
During the First Twilight reconstruction: (about the Master Keys) (There are five, one per servant.)
(By the way, each of the doors and windows of the six rooms are normal. There is no device that can lock it without a key, such as an autolock.)
(Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa, 6 people in total are dead!)
(There is no one hiding in the six rooms!)
(Six people were killed instantly!)
(Spoken by Ronove) (Only the victims were inside the room, and no other people exist inside the room.)
(The six people were not killed by a trap!)
(None of the six people committed suicide!)
After Rosa and Maria's death:
(Rosa and Maria are dead.)
(The cause of death is the same as Nanjo's diagnosis.)
(Spoken by Ronove) (Both Rosa and Maria were killed by another person.)
After everyone except Eva, Battler, and Jessica are dead: (Spoken by Hideyoshi) (I was in the room the entire time.)
(Spoken by Hideyoshi) (Before and after the crimes were committed.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Kyrie was thinking food is not needed.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Since going without food for a day wouldn't kill them, she claimed they shouldn't leave the guesthouse.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) And yet, she herself made the suggestion to leave the guest house and get food.
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (She didn't tell anyone the reason she changed her mind, nor was it written!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Up until the last moment Kyrie died, maintained her behavior that "not going to get food = not going to the mansion"!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Kyrie did not leave any written note!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (After Jessica was injuried, Eva was always under Battler's supervision. Battler isn't the culprit or an accomplice. With this, we've made a perfect alibi for Eva.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (There are no more than 18 people on this island.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (No life-forms other than humans have any relation to this game.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Kinzo is dead. Krauss is dead. Natsuhi is dead. Hideyoshi is dead. George is dead. Rudolph is dead. Kyrie is dead. Rosa is dead. Maria is dead. Genji is dead. Shannon is dead. Kanon is dead. Gohda is dead. Kumasawa is dead. Nanjo is dead. 15 people are dead.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Battler is alive. Eva is alive. Jessica is alive.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Eva and you were together the entire time. Of course, Battler-kun isn't the culprit. He wasn't forging her alibi, and taking into account she might be the culprit, watched over her actions carefully. There was no oppurtunity for her to do something suspicious! In other words, only Jessica and Nanjo were in the servant's room at the time of the crime.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Ushiromiya Jessica did not commit murder! She was not involved in Nanjo's murder!! Her eyes were completly blocked. It's impossible for her to commit murder like that.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Neither Eva or Battler murdered Nanjo, nor were they involved!!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (The culprit who murdered Nanjo was neither Battler not Eva nor Jessica!!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Jessica's eyes were completly blocked off, so it is impossible for her to murder anyone!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (No actions done by Jessica's body was related, or influenced, Nanjo's murder! This also applies to Battler and Eva.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Jessica nor Battler not Eva were the culprit who killed Nanjo!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Nanjo was murdered.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (Of course, it wasn't a trap, it was a direct murder.)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (A weapon was prepared and he was killed by it at point-blank range! The culprit appeared right infront of Nanjo's eyes and as they looked at each other's face he was killed...!!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (The red only tells truths!!!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (All elements other than humans don't partcipate on this game board!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (That which killed Nanjo, was certainly a human!)
(Spoken by Eva-Beatrice) (A human, with their feet on the ground, held up a weapon and killed him! Right infront of his eyes!)
Por cierto en todos los EP hay un culpable diferente el del EP3 es EVA, pero Eva en realidad fué sobornada por X persona. Ya que en el EP3 el culpable en realidad es asesinado como pasó en Maekashi-hen en donde Shion se volvió el culpable al matar a Rika, cuando Rika es asesinada, Takano es automaticamente eliminada por el Yamaushi, bueno aquí es algo similar y muchos creemos que en EP3 Eva mató al culpable al igual que en Higurashi. La escena de Nanjo es dificil de resolver... Mierda Deen volvió Umineko un jueguito de niños sin contra argumentos, ni argumentos filosoficos, ni teorías ni razonamientos ni nada FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!
Donde diablos quedó mi Hempel's raven Que malo es que rusheen todo Umineko, al ver el preview del proximo cap se nota que rushearon bastante...
Bueh debo decir tambien que hasta EP5 aun es dificil resolver quien es el culpable pero no imposible. Deso que EP5 es de respuestas...
Edited by Dante_Sword, 31 October 2009 - 04:03 PM.
Tu firma no cumple las normas. Arréglalo, por favor.
Exacto, no las he leído. No tengo punto de comparación, pero me imagino que Deen hizo un pobre adaptación como siempre lo hace. Vampire Knight, por ejemplo. En general de Umineko anime te diré que me ha parecido entretenida, por algo la sigo, pero que como serie deja mucho que desear.
Salió perfect el trailer. Un solo detalle no me gusta, pero en general quedó estupendo el trabajo. Los graficos superan a los de Higurashi REI. Todo se ve identico a la SN. Los efectos de lluvia se ven geniales. Si sigue así será el anime del año...
D: Hay varias razones por la que va muy bien. La primera es que el trailer se vé fiel. La animación supera a la de Higurashi REI, ya eso es un buen avance, se espera que no decaiga. Y la tercera es que tendrá la OST de la Sound Novel + Opening de la misma artista de la Sound Novel. Eso si para que salga bien espero 30 caps como minimo. Porque esos 4 EP son muy largos, solo el EP4 dura como 16 horas de lectura.
Sobre Hype se lo merece. Se nota que será lo mejor de la horrenda temporada de Verano... Obviamente soy Fan de los Games, puede que del anime lo sea, dependiendo de como salga.
An then...
Su hubieras la leido la SN supieras que eso es imposible, este anime es una mierda.
El REY no ha muerto, se esta cepillando a la Reina en algun granero de la campiña francesa
Exacto, no las he leído. No tengo punto de comparación, pero me imagino que Deen hizo un pobre adaptación como siempre lo hace. Vampire Knight, por ejemplo. En general de Umineko anime te diré que me ha parecido entretenida, por algo la sigo, pero que como serie deja mucho que desear.
Te tengo que dar la razón xDDDD Es que Higurashi tambien salió mal sobre todo en su primera temporada que es la que todos adoran xDDDDD
An then...
El Hype nos mata a algunos. Hay una nueva oportunidad con Okami kakushi que ya almenos cambiaron de estudio^^
Edited by Dante_Sword, 31 October 2009 - 11:15 PM.
Tu firma no cumple las normas. Arréglalo, por favor.
Claro hombtre di que si, la esperanza es lo ultimo que se pierde XDDDD
Por si acaso, yo cuando sacan adaptaciones de algo que me gusta en lugar de los mas que optimistas "ya a ser genial" o incluso "a lo mejor no la cagan y hasta sale algo decente" yo uso el: "Va a ser una mierda y la van a meter hasta el cuello". Que estadisticamente es el que mas se cumple
Asi siempre te puedes llevar una buena sorpresa, pero nunca una decepcion.
El REY no ha muerto, se esta cepillando a la Reina en algun granero de la campiña francesa
Que buena jugada la de Beatrice de primero "tsun" y luego "dere" xDDD. Ahora Battler resulta que tiene "hermana" y viaja desde el futuro a salvar a su familia....>___<. Dioxxx....con que mas nos saldran?? todo se mezcla demasiado.....
De lo otro que discuten yo ya no entiendo nada.....pero como dice Kurapika, la serie es entretenida
Me parece recordar que en el episodio anterior Buttler ya mencionó lo de su hermana, ¿no?
Btw me parece increible el cambio de genero misterio-fantastico que ha dado la serie. No me queda claro si me sigue gustando la serie o no, aunque eso no impide que esté pendiente al episodio nuevo de cada semana XD
